In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Dr. Lydia Liu, Associate Vice President at the ETS Research Institute, to explore how research is shaping the future of assessment. Dr. Liu shares her inspiring journey into psychometrics, her perseverance in joining ETS, and the pivotal role research plays in advancing testing worldwide.

Together, they discuss defining and measuring complex skills, innovative approaches to assessment, and the evolving impact of artificial intelligence in education and credentialing. From global collaborations to balancing long-term research with immediate business needs, Dr. Liu offers a compelling perspective on how research can make assessment more meaningful, equitable, and human-centered.

Whether you’re curious about AI in testing, skills for the future workforce, or the global outlook on educational innovation, this conversation provides valuable insights into how assessment is being reimagined for the next generation.